EVGA 680i LT SLI: NVIDIA's 680i Cost Reduced
by Gary Key on March 28, 2007 4:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
First Impressions
This is our first look at the new 680i LT SLI chipset - or maybe we should say it is a slightly enhanced/revised/rescued 680i chipset. NVIDIA's goal was to offer similar performance and features of the 680i chipset specifically targeted to the "extreme" gamer but at a reduced price point. Did they achieve this goal? Yes and no to be quite honest.
After working with the EVGA 680i LT SLI board for a few weeks we have come to grudgingly accept its limitations while at the same time being impressed by its overall performance and quality. However, the work that NVIDIA's engineers or accountants did to ensure cost reductions and the neutering of the board's BIOS so it does not fully compete with the 680i boards still leaves us a little frustrated and annoyed.
Of course our frustration could be caused by several factors outside of NVIDIA's control, like reading the current news without a sense of humor or good cup of coffee nearby or being holed up in the test lab days on end without access to sunlight or McDonald's. However, after spending a bright sunny morning at McDonald's consuming a pot of coffee while watching Comedy Channel, we still think a couple of our frustrations with this board are justified.
Our first frustration is with the pricing scheme listing this board at $199. Sure this is $50 less than the suggested MSRP for the EVGA 680i board, but the last time we checked online that board was selling for around $199~$209 with rebate. There is no doubt in our minds what decision we would make between the two boards for an extra $10 or $15. We expect the price of the 680i LT SLI boards to also come in lower than the MSRP (currently at $174.99 with rebate), but it would have to be quite a bit lower for us to recommend saving a bit of money at the cost of an extra Ethernet port, additional USB ports, and a full-featured BIOS.
This leads us into the $199 price target. Except for SLI technology and somewhat asynchronous memory capability, what feature set or capability does this board have that others in this price range do not? [Crickets chirping...] Based on feature sets, pricing, and overall performance we think the MSI P6N SLI Platinum or the ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus (full reviews coming shortly) offer a more compelling choice if you want NVIDIA SLI technology or would rather have a chipset solution that offers a greater degree of memory flexibility than what Intel provides currently.
Our second frustration is with the cost cutting - or more importantly cutting of corners based upon the market sector this board is currently targeting. Our press release materials state this chipset and in particular this board are "for extreme gamers who like to push their CPU and memory components to the next level". We can forgive the single network connection and to a certain degree (just barely) the dropping of two USB ports in order to save costs. However, we know a significant amount of gamers who would want both if given the choice and other boards at this price point offer it.
Our main issue is the neutering of the BIOS and this is an area where we feel NVIDIA contradicts itself. How can the "extreme gamer" push their CPU and memory components to the next level if the lack of BIOS options are hindering your ability to do what is being advertised? Everything about the construction of this board from its quality component selection to six-layer design screams of a performance capability that the BIOS does not live up to in its initial release.
As a customer of this board, after reading the press materials I would expect additional voltage options such as FSB VTT, GTL Ref, MCP, and HT along with additional voltage settings in the key areas of SPP, FSB, and memory options in order to take my components to the next level. Improving Vdroop with quad core processors and reducing the amount of FSB holes so we are not always thinking about cheesy goodness would be welcome improvements for both the gamer and overclocker.
Oh, and by the way, having full nTune compatibility, proper fan speed support for the chassis fans, and a passive cooling solution (or at least temperature based fan control on the chipset fans) so the "extreme gamer" can hear the action and not the board would be additional pluses. Other features such as LinkBoost and EPP capability up to DDR2-1200 would also be a nice addition for those looking to push their components. The board already supports DDR2-800 EPP profiles; why not toss in full support?
Of course by this point you have just designed a feature rich but limited options 680i board that probably would severely limit your high-end sales, something NVIDIA is desperately trying not to do. If you sense that we are slightly frustrated and annoyed, you would be right, but now for the good stuff.
This board, even with its BIOS and certain feature limitations, performed admirably and was a pinnacle of stability throughout our testing regimen. The board design, quality component choices, performance, and lack of BIOS compatibility issues is a testament to excellence by the engineering group at NVIDIA. This board has been running practically 24/7 since we received it, with a wide variety of components and without a real issue to date. The days of garbled sound with SLI enabled, data corruption with RAID arrays, USB issues, and poor quad core performance seem to be a distant memory when using this board. In fact, other than the differences mentioned above, it's almost just like running a 680i board - fancy that.
We have probably been a little too harsh on NVIDIA but with the right BIOS, a couple of minor layout changes, and a better price point this is the 680i board we have wanted for a long time. It's a shame really, but EVGA does appear to be targeting lower prices (currently coming in at $175 after rebate at some vendors). It's still priced awfully close to the 680i boards and too far above some very good 650i SLI boards for us to whole-heartedly recommend it, but it does appear to fill a niche. The board itself was a breath of fresh air and stood out from the crowd from an overall performance and stability viewpoint, so the non-extreme crowd should be very happy with this new option.
We feel like NVIDIA took the right path in their decision to market a performance oriented board in the $150~$200 price range but when compared to other solutions the engineers should have skipped the BIOS neutering process. The majority of issues we noted about the board can be overlooked to a certain degree due to the board's strengths. However, to play in this market sector you need an option rich BIOS, something this board does not have. That is the greatest mistake of all considering this is one of NVIDIA's greatest strengths, and we can only hope this will be rectified via a BIOS update.
This is our first look at the new 680i LT SLI chipset - or maybe we should say it is a slightly enhanced/revised/rescued 680i chipset. NVIDIA's goal was to offer similar performance and features of the 680i chipset specifically targeted to the "extreme" gamer but at a reduced price point. Did they achieve this goal? Yes and no to be quite honest.
After working with the EVGA 680i LT SLI board for a few weeks we have come to grudgingly accept its limitations while at the same time being impressed by its overall performance and quality. However, the work that NVIDIA's engineers or accountants did to ensure cost reductions and the neutering of the board's BIOS so it does not fully compete with the 680i boards still leaves us a little frustrated and annoyed.
Of course our frustration could be caused by several factors outside of NVIDIA's control, like reading the current news without a sense of humor or good cup of coffee nearby or being holed up in the test lab days on end without access to sunlight or McDonald's. However, after spending a bright sunny morning at McDonald's consuming a pot of coffee while watching Comedy Channel, we still think a couple of our frustrations with this board are justified.
Our first frustration is with the pricing scheme listing this board at $199. Sure this is $50 less than the suggested MSRP for the EVGA 680i board, but the last time we checked online that board was selling for around $199~$209 with rebate. There is no doubt in our minds what decision we would make between the two boards for an extra $10 or $15. We expect the price of the 680i LT SLI boards to also come in lower than the MSRP (currently at $174.99 with rebate), but it would have to be quite a bit lower for us to recommend saving a bit of money at the cost of an extra Ethernet port, additional USB ports, and a full-featured BIOS.
This leads us into the $199 price target. Except for SLI technology and somewhat asynchronous memory capability, what feature set or capability does this board have that others in this price range do not? [Crickets chirping...] Based on feature sets, pricing, and overall performance we think the MSI P6N SLI Platinum or the ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus (full reviews coming shortly) offer a more compelling choice if you want NVIDIA SLI technology or would rather have a chipset solution that offers a greater degree of memory flexibility than what Intel provides currently.
Our second frustration is with the cost cutting - or more importantly cutting of corners based upon the market sector this board is currently targeting. Our press release materials state this chipset and in particular this board are "for extreme gamers who like to push their CPU and memory components to the next level". We can forgive the single network connection and to a certain degree (just barely) the dropping of two USB ports in order to save costs. However, we know a significant amount of gamers who would want both if given the choice and other boards at this price point offer it.
Our main issue is the neutering of the BIOS and this is an area where we feel NVIDIA contradicts itself. How can the "extreme gamer" push their CPU and memory components to the next level if the lack of BIOS options are hindering your ability to do what is being advertised? Everything about the construction of this board from its quality component selection to six-layer design screams of a performance capability that the BIOS does not live up to in its initial release.
As a customer of this board, after reading the press materials I would expect additional voltage options such as FSB VTT, GTL Ref, MCP, and HT along with additional voltage settings in the key areas of SPP, FSB, and memory options in order to take my components to the next level. Improving Vdroop with quad core processors and reducing the amount of FSB holes so we are not always thinking about cheesy goodness would be welcome improvements for both the gamer and overclocker.
Oh, and by the way, having full nTune compatibility, proper fan speed support for the chassis fans, and a passive cooling solution (or at least temperature based fan control on the chipset fans) so the "extreme gamer" can hear the action and not the board would be additional pluses. Other features such as LinkBoost and EPP capability up to DDR2-1200 would also be a nice addition for those looking to push their components. The board already supports DDR2-800 EPP profiles; why not toss in full support?
Of course by this point you have just designed a feature rich but limited options 680i board that probably would severely limit your high-end sales, something NVIDIA is desperately trying not to do. If you sense that we are slightly frustrated and annoyed, you would be right, but now for the good stuff.
This board, even with its BIOS and certain feature limitations, performed admirably and was a pinnacle of stability throughout our testing regimen. The board design, quality component choices, performance, and lack of BIOS compatibility issues is a testament to excellence by the engineering group at NVIDIA. This board has been running practically 24/7 since we received it, with a wide variety of components and without a real issue to date. The days of garbled sound with SLI enabled, data corruption with RAID arrays, USB issues, and poor quad core performance seem to be a distant memory when using this board. In fact, other than the differences mentioned above, it's almost just like running a 680i board - fancy that.
We have probably been a little too harsh on NVIDIA but with the right BIOS, a couple of minor layout changes, and a better price point this is the 680i board we have wanted for a long time. It's a shame really, but EVGA does appear to be targeting lower prices (currently coming in at $175 after rebate at some vendors). It's still priced awfully close to the 680i boards and too far above some very good 650i SLI boards for us to whole-heartedly recommend it, but it does appear to fill a niche. The board itself was a breath of fresh air and stood out from the crowd from an overall performance and stability viewpoint, so the non-extreme crowd should be very happy with this new option.
We feel like NVIDIA took the right path in their decision to market a performance oriented board in the $150~$200 price range but when compared to other solutions the engineers should have skipped the BIOS neutering process. The majority of issues we noted about the board can be overlooked to a certain degree due to the board's strengths. However, to play in this market sector you need an option rich BIOS, something this board does not have. That is the greatest mistake of all considering this is one of NVIDIA's greatest strengths, and we can only hope this will be rectified via a BIOS update.
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MrWizard6600 - Thursday, March 29, 2007 - link
dont know the full details, but the newest P26 Bios from EVGA Removed LinkBoost support“LinkBoost was removed from nForce 680i SLI because it did not show significant demonstrable benefit in games. We had hoped newer games would take advantage of this additional bandwidth but this has not been the case. Please note that future BIOS upgrades will only remove the automatic overclocking component of LinkBoost. Users can still manually overclock the PCI-Express and HyperTransport buses in the BIOS."
SniperWulf - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
Any chance I can get that registry key that you deleted after the nv4_disp crash?yacoub - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
It's time to start recommending Supreme Commander to be the RTS game test choice. Now that there's a new RTS game that can crush systems (SupCom) the way FEAR did for FPS games for the last couple years, a game that makes use of multiple cores at that, we should start to see it used in the suite of games in future motherboard, cpu, and gpu tests. Perhaps Anandtech have already started planning for this?yyrkoon - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
Well, it is not an RTS game, but one I play frequently should also be used to test gaming rigs in my humble opinon. Titan Quest (Immortal Throne if deemed nessisary).My gaming Rig is not top of the line, but it is no slouch, and this game constantly drags in areas that are low light areas, or are outside, and night time. Anyhow, and game that brings my opteron 1210 / ABIT NF-M2 nView / 2 GB DDR2 6400 memory, eVGA 7600GT KO to a crawl, SHOULD be used as a benchmark, at least once in a while. F.E.A.R does not lag like this game does on my system . . .
Stele - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
I agree to an extent, as the current test suite's figures are starting to show their age a wee bit... 100+ FPS, as Quake ended up with newer CPUs/GPUs. Having said that, Anandtech was probably trying to ensure consistency in its tests, so that at the very least, past test results for other products can always be quite easily compared over time. Perhaps in the near future we might see it yet! :)JarredWalton - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
I believe Gary is looking at benching with Supreme Commander. That's one of the games that will be added in future reviews, as far as I know.yacoub - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
Awesome, glad to hear that! One can see the benefit to maintaining benchmark titles for as long as possible to allow the greatest comparison back to past reviews. On the up side, SupCom looks to easily task systems well into the future (much like FEAR has thus far since its release) and would be an excellent choice for the RTS benchmark game. :)yyrkoon - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
Firstly, I have to get this out. It is a completely LAME excuse for nVidia, eVGA, Foxconn, or whomever, to 'claim' the reason this board does not have passive cooling (OTES or equivelent), is to help cut costs. 20 bux less, and they rip out passive cooling ? Lame. Take ABITs NF-M2 nView $85usd , including passive cooling, and moderate other features. Granted, it is based on the NF4 chipset, but who cares, it has passive cooling, and loads of other features for the price.I have to agree somewhat with the first poster, this board is dead, before it even reaches market. Crippled features, missing other features, all for to save $20-$50 usd. Sorry nVidia, and whomever else, but you have not only completely wasted your time, but ours as well, for having to read a review on such a shitty product.
yacoub - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
very much agree. the passive cooling is (and should be) an integral feature of current generation motherboards. there's no reason ANY motherboard released today should require active northbridge (or southbridge) chipset cooling (unless you're overclocking, obviously).yyrkoon - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - link
One thing I did keep wondering the whole time I was reading the article, and you were mentioning how the BIOS was basically a crippled version of the full blown i680 SLI version was: 'I wonder how soon someone would mod a BIOS version based on the i680 SLI chipset BIOS, to add removed 'features' such as certain voltage settings, etc.'Also, Jarred, or whomever else would like to answer, how hot does the PWM section of this motherboard run ? Seems lately, dual core on up motherboards tend to run hot in the PWM.