Intel's Core i7 870 & i5 750, Lynnfield: Harder, Better, Faster Stronger
by Anand Lal Shimpi on September 8, 2009 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Final Words
I'll start this conclusion with what AMD must do in response to Lynnfield. The Core i5 750 is a great processor at $196, in fact, it's the best quad-core CPU you can buy at that price today. In nearly every case it's faster than AMD's Phenom II X4 965 BE, despite the AMD processor costing almost another $50. Granted you can probably save some money on an integrated 785G motherboard, but if you're comparing ~$120 motherboards the AMD CPU is simply overpriced.
Lynnfield (top) vs. Phenom II (bottom)
Luckily, the solution isn't that difficult. AMD needs to lower prices. The problem is that AMD has too many products below $200 already. The Phenom II X3 and X4 series both exist below $200 and rumor has it that AMD is also going to introduce a quad-core Athlon II somewhere down there. Lynnfield's arrival causes a lot of price compression on AMD's side. The most AMD should sell the 965 BE for is $199, but if it is to remain competitive the chip needs to be priced much lower. That doesn't leave much room for other AMD CPUs. On the bright side, this could force AMD to simplify its product lines again (similar to what it has quietly been doing already).
The next thing that the Core i5 750 does is it finally ends the life of LGA-775. Just as was the case with AMD, the Core 2 Quad Q9650 is easily destroyed by the Core i5 750 and at a lower price. With significantly lower motherboard costs than the LGA-1366 chips, the Core i5 750 can actually compete in the high end LGA-775 space. It's only a matter of time before the sub-$200 LGA-775 parts are made obsolete as well.
Lynnfield power consumption is just excellent, these are the most power efficient quad-core CPUs we've ever tested. They use less power at idle than similarly clocked dual-core processors and under load they deliver better performance per watt than any of their closest competitors. Later this year we'll see 32nm dual-core Westmere start to ship for notebooks. I don't have performance data but I'd expect that early next year will be the perfect time to buy a new notebook.
Can you tell that I like the Core i5 750? Again, at $196 you can't find a better processor. Intel did its homework very well and managed to deliver something that kept AMD in check without completely upsetting the balancing of things. There's no technical reason that Intel couldn't have enabled Hyper Threading on the Core i5, it's purely a competitive move. A Core i5 750 with HT would not only defeat the purpose of most of the i7s, but it would also widen the performance gap with AMD. Intel doesn't need to maintain a huge performance advantage, just one that's good enough. While I'd love to have a 750 with HT, I'd still recommend one without it.
The Core i7 870 gets close enough to the Core i7 975 that I'm having a hard time justifying the LGA-1366 platform at all. As I see it, LGA-1366 has a few advantages:
1) High-end multi-GPU Performance
2) Stock Voltage Overclocking
3) Future support for 6-core Gulftown CPUs
If that list doesn't make you flinch, then Lynnfield is perfect. You'll save a bunch on a motherboard and the CPUs start at $196 instead of $284. We didn't have enough time with our Core i7 860 to include performance results here but my instincts tell me that at $284 that'll be the Lynnfield sweetspot. You get excellent turbo modes and Hyper Threading, without breaking $300.
Speaking of turbo, I'd say that Intel is definitely on to something here. The performance impact was small with Bloomfield, but turbo on Lynnfield is huge. My tests showed up to a 17% increase in performance depending on the workload, with most CPU-influenced scenarios seeing at least 9 or 10%. The turbo mode transitions happen fast enough to accelerate even simple actions like opening a new window. OS and application responsiveness is significantly improved as a result and it's something that you can actually feel when using a Lynnfield machine. It all works so seamlessly, you just always get the best performance you need. It's like Intel crammed the best single, dual and quad-core processors all into one package.
Perhaps that's what kept me from falling in love with Bloomfield right away. It was fast but in the same way that its predecessors were fast. If you didn't have a well threaded application, Bloomfield wasn't any better than a similarly clocked Penryn. Lynnfield's turbo modes change the game. Say goodbye to tradeoffs, the Core i5 and Core i7 are now fast regardless of thread count. It speed that is useful, it speed that you can feel, it's what truly makes Lynnfield the best desktop microprocessor of 2009. It's not just faster, it's smarter, it's better. It's why today's title borrows from Daft Punk and not Star Wars; it's not more of the same, it's something futuristic and new.
Lynnfield shows us the beginning of how all microprocessors are going to be made in the future. Even AMD is embracing turbo, we'll see it with Fusion in 2011. Extend turbo to its logical conclusion and you end up with something very exciting. Imagine a processor made up of many different cores, large and small, CPU and GPU. Each one turning on/off depending on the type of workload, and each running as fast as possible without dissipating more heat than your system can handle.
My only two complaints with Lynnfield are that the chips do require additional voltage (above stock) to overclock and of course the lack of Hyper Threading on the Core i5. It doesn't ruin the processor, but it gives us something to wish for.
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jasperjones - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
Wonderful article as usual on AT. Read the articles on the website of your main competitor minutes before and didn't learn nearly as much about the LGA 1156 platform as I did here. Well done!I have one somewhat cheap comment. I always feel there's only one thing I do for which I really "need" my Core i7. And that's test-driving and debugging my well-threaded code (which makes use of OpenMP, MPI, threaded Intel MKL, etc.) before scp-ing it over to a cluster. Obviously, when testing code, I run using 8 threads. Still think that the Core i7 is probably more competitive in that area (performance/$ wise) than in the ones which this review focuses on (simply because I assume such code puts enough stress on the processors such that turbo-boosting is out of the question). On the other hand, I don't really care if gzip takes 2.5 or 3 seconds to compress a file (or if flac takes 8 or 9 seconds to encode my wav).
As I said, it's a cheap point. Just saying that I feel I primarily need "oomph" when running well-threaded stuff. Again, great article!
AeroWB - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
Thanks for the interesting read, I do agree with some other people that some things are missing (clock for clock comparison) and some things are weird (core i7 with 1066DDR3). Some people are saying that everyone is overclocking their core i7, and while most readers of this article will probably be geeks that overclock I also read these articles as a systembuilder and I know that at least 95% of my customers don't overclock, so I really dig non-overclocked comparisons and results.There is also one thing I do not agree on, lets have another look at the page "The Best Gaming CPU?" and look to the DoWII results. What I see there is totally different from your conlusion though you do mention it in the text, the Bloomfield has lower minimum framerate then Lynnfield, but still your conclusion is Bloomfield is better then Lnynfield and Lynnfield is better then the Core2E8600. Ehm ???
Lets be clear the core i7 920 really sucks here as of its really low minimum fps you will have stutters. Great gaming is all about having a butter smooth FPS which dependent on the game type needs to be between 30 and 60 FPS. Basically the best game experience here will probably be with the E8600 as it has the highest minimum at 33 FPS which is great for RTS gaming. In order to say which CPU is best you should have an extra statistic like how much and how long the framerate dropped below 30FPS or something but as we do not have this data the minimum framerate is our next best thing. As weve seen before the Core i7 is good when using SLI/Crossfire but on par with the core2 when using a single GPU. Intel also told us themselfs that Core i7 was not made for gaming but for taking a bigger part in the server market. When increasing resolution/quality of gaming when using one GPU the Phenom 2 was often as fast and sometimes even faster then the Core i7. Unfortunately most CPU comparison with gaming are done at low to medium resolutions and quality so this effect couldn't be seen in most tests, but there were very few where this could be seen. So gaming with Core i7 920 only made sense when using SLI/Crossfire (as it scaled much better with these then Phenom2) or when paying the extra money (over Phenom2) because you used the system mostly for other task like video editing or so.
Now we can see this gaming problem of the Core i7 has been (at least partly) solved with Lynnfield, but still the Phenom2 965 has a higher minimum then the Core i5 750 so I would still prefer that one.
The other gaming test are not really relevant as all cpu's score a minimum of 60 FPS (ok one exception on 59) and so you won't notice any difference between all of the tested CPU's with those settings.
Still it is probable that the better gaming CPU in these test will also be better with higher settings, but as I have seen with the weird Core i7 / Phenom2 results I want to see tests with higher settings or test with more demanding games. And we want minimum and average results to determine which is best.
Sorry for the long post
iwodo - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
I am waiting for SandyBridge or even Ivy Bridge for FMA.For now, a C2Q two years ago with money spent on graphics card will do fine.
The whole LGA socket and naming is a complete mess.
Dont get me wrong, it is a good Processors, but not the jump from Pentium 4 to C2D.
Money spend on SSD and Graphics is much better valued.
JonnyDough - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
My dual core Opty 185 is still doing fine...Fallout 3 is still playable with my 8800GTS 640. The system has a slight OC and is chugging along at a minimum of 45FPS in the game on decent settings. Granted, it can't play every game - but I can only play one at a time anyway, and my life does not revolve around gaming. Hello...BEER PONG!Griswold - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
I agree. I'll get excited when the 32nm dual cores with HT arrive. That would be a worthwhile "upgrade" (but a downgrade in number of cores, simply because I dont need 4 physical cores that much anymore) from my q6600 on a p35.Still, its a good product, just not worth an upgrade for everyone.
strikeback03 - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
I was hoping there would be 32nm quads in this cycle, but it appears not. I'd definitely like something faster than my E6600/P965, but don't think it is worthwhile in time or money to just go to a C2Q.R3MF - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
I spent much of the past year harping on AMD selling Nehalem-sized Phenom IIs for less than Intel sold Nehalems. With Lynnfield, Intel actually made Nehalem even >>>bigger<<< all while driving prices down.i think you mean smaller.
strikeback03 - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
Nope, he meant bigger. Same process + more transistors = larger die, as is illustrated in the table.JonnyDough - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
I think AMD realized years ago that they had awoken a sleeping giant, and it was a smart move to start thinking about competing graphically when they did. They saw how IBM had to change when Intel reared its ugly head. If you put all your eggs in one basket, you'll surely drop your next meal at some point. Diversifying into new markets was a smart move. Anyone who said that AMD didn't have good leadership didn't know what they were saying. Sure, money got really tight - but that's what has to happen to someone in a very competitive market at some point. Just take a look at GM. Giants crumble, little guys take over, and giants can muster a comeback...blyndy - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
"I think AMD realised years ago that they had awoken a sleeping giant, and it was a smart move to start thinking about competing graphically when they did."That's an interesting thought.
I think there were to mains reasons why AMD acquired ATI.
1) in response to the news of Larrabee -- pre-emptive defensive move.
2)To diversify in preparation for Intels technological onslaught to finally kill its only CPU competitor.
So it may have been a smart move. On the other hand, knowing how patent riddled the CPU business is, maybe they could have ramped up R&D, but AMD is puny next to Intel.