Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 - Penryn Ticks Ahead
by Anand Lal Shimpi on October 29, 2007 12:13 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Recap: When's a Penryn?
In our first Penryn preview we laid out the launch schedule for Intel's new chips; now we can finally bring you an update with more specifics including model numbers and clock speeds. Let's first look at a table that will round out the rest of 2007:
CPU | Clock Speed | FSB | L2 Cache | Availability | Pricing |
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 | 3.00GHz | 1333 | 6MBx2 | Nov 12 | $999 |
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 | 3.00GHz | 1333 | 4MBx2 | Now | $999 |
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 | 2.93GHz | 1066 | 4MBx2 | Now | $999 |
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 | 2.66GHz | 1066 | 4MBx2 | Now | $530 |
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 | 2.40GHz | 1066 | 4MBx2 | Now | $266 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 | 3.00GHz | 1333 | 4MB | Now | $266 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 | 2.66GHz | 1333 | 4MB | Now | $183 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 | 2.33GHz | 1333 | 4MB | Now | $163 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E6540 | 2.33GHz | 1333 | 4MB | Now | $163 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 | 2.40GHz | 800 | 2MB | Q4 | $133 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 | 2.20GHz | 800 | 2MB | Now | $133 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 | 2.00GHz | 800 | 2MB | Now | $113 |
Intel Pentium E2180 | 2.00GHz | 800 | 1MB | Now | $84 |
Intel Pentium E2160 | 1.80GHz | 800 | 1MB | Now | $84 |
Intel Pentium E2140 | 1.60GHz | 800 | 1MB | Now | $74 |
The big new introduction here is the Core 2 Extreme QX9650, the very first Yorkfield and the first Penryn we'll see on the desktop. The QX9650 will officially launch on November 12 and although Intel hasn't revealed pricing, we're expecting it to be at $999 thus replacing the QX6850. Given that it costs Intel less money to make than a QX6850, we'd expect Intel would want to sell more of the QX9650 anyways, and pricing it more than $999 just isn't going to help that cause.
The more interesting table however is what happens starting next year, because that's where we get some of the more mainstream Penryn chips in the market:
CPU | Clock Speed | FSB | L2 Cache | Availability | Replaces? |
Bloomfield | TBD | N/A | TBD | Q4 '08 | TBD |
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 | 3.20GHz | 1600 | 6MBx2 | Q1 '08 | QX9650 |
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 | 3.00GHz | 1333 | 6MBx2 | Nov 12 | $999 |
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 | 2.83GHz | 1333 | 6MBx2 | Q1 '08 | Q6700 |
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 | 2.66GHz | 1333 | 6MBx2 | Q1 '08 | Q6600 |
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 | 2.50GHz | 1333 | 3MBx2 | Q1 '08 | Q6600 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 | 3.16GHz | 1333 | 6MB | Q1 '08 | E6850 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 | 3.00GHz | 1333 | 6MB | Q1 '08 | E6750 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E8300 | 2.83GHz | 1333 | 6MB | Q2 '08 | E8200 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 | 2.66GHz | 1333 | 6MB | Q1 '08 | E6550 |
Wolfdale 3M | TBD | 1066 | 3MB | Q2 '08 | E4700 |
Intel Core 2 Duo E4700 | 2.6GHz | 800 | 2MB | Q1 '08 | $266 |
Look at those availability dates: Penryn is coming for your children in Q1 '08; only the E8300 and Wolfdale 3M parts won't be out until Q2. Clocks move up a little, the QX9770 goes to 3.20GHz thanks to a 1600MHz FSB (which will be enabled by Intel's upcoming X48 chipset - yep another one), and the E8500 brings mainstream chips up to 3.16GHz.
Now look at the "Replaces?" column to get an idea for where these things will be priced. Intel's own roadmap shows the Q9550 slotting in next to the current Q6700, which means that we may be able to find it priced at around $530.
More interesting is that Intel seems to have segmented the affordable quad-core market a bit, by replacing the ever-popular Q6600 with two chips: a Q9450 and Q9300. While functionally identical, the Q9300 is built off of two Wolfdale 3M cores (meaning it only has 6MB total L2 cache) while the Q9450 is built off of two Wolfdale 6M cores giving it 12MB of total L2 cache. Obviously the 9300 will be cheaper to make, so we'd expect to see that at or below the $266 price point of the Q6600. The Q9450 would slot in right above the 9300 in pricing.
We would hope that Intel will price the Q9300 below the $266 price point (can we have a sub-$200 quad-core, please?), because it will actually have less cache than the current Q6600 making it cheaper for Intel to make, but possibly reducing performance over current chips. Granted it will have all the Penryn enhancements which, as you will soon see, do improve performance but we generally like having our cake and eating it too.
The dual-core market also gets interesting, with the E8000 line replacing the current E6000 series. If Intel's pricing structure remains the same then it looks like at today's prices you'll end up with an extra 166MHz, 50% more cache, SSE4 and some other tweaks for the same money. We also have to mention how well the model numbers work out with the Core 2 products; everything is in nice increments of 100, just like when Conroe first launched. Ah those were the days....
The other important item to note on the roadmap going forward is that top line in the table - yep, the one that says Bloomfield. Bloomfield is none other than Nehalem, the 45nm successor to Penryn. It's a brand new architecture complete with an on-die memory controller, SMT (Symmetric Multi-Threading - 2 threads per core) and 8MB of shared cache (probably L3 shared among all four cores). While it's still a year away, it's very nice to see it on an Intel roadmap this far in advance of its launch.
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emenk - Sunday, January 20, 2008 - link
From first page (this article): "As we saw in our original Penryn preview, Penryn's cache performance remains unchanged; latencies in our final stepping are identical to Conroe."From the original Penryn preview (3rd page):
"Not only is Wolfdale's L2 cache larger, but it also happens to be slightly faster than its predecessor. Intel has shaved off a single clock cycle from Wolfdale's L2 access time; we're already off to a good start."
Isn't this a contradiction?
Ignore this (testing quote tags):
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IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - link
You know that will not be true in the true Phenom comparison right Anand?? Take a look here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/8236/14">http://techreport.com/articles.x/8236/14Dual Opteron is slower than a Single Opteron, yet you still used Dual Opteron against a single Barcelona. Why?? No really, WHY?!?
"Because of these limitations we refrained from running any comparative benchmarks to desktop Athlon 64 X2s, instead we chose to run a single quad-core Opteron in our server platform against a pair of dual-core Opterons to simulate Phenom vs. K8 on the desktop."
You could have took games like Oblivion with Single socket Opteron to see the real advantages. This is the worst comparison, ever. And to make it worse, you put "simulated" benchmarks.
victory - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - link
Wouldn't Intel be able to take immediate advantage of the new SSE4instructions in a new integrated graphics chipset perhaps then
competing with nVidia as well as beating AMD's integrated chipsets?
magreen - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
It does 4GHz easily on the stock cooler? So why don't you strap a TR ultra 120 ex on there and tell us what it can really do? Cmon Anand, stop teasing us and tell us what we really want to know!AnnihilatorX - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
It's a shame that they delay the release date of more affordable Yorkfields to January, just missed to Christmas sales.I am p0lanning to upgrade my computer and not sure whether to wait for Yorkfield or buy a Q6600.
idgaf13 - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
Intel is trying to suppress Christmas sales and have a negative influence on "other companies" earnings while relieving themselves of Old Inventory.45nm process is going to produce so many CPUs per wafer that prices will fall fast or inventory will rise quickly.
With respect to the traditional cycle of product releases and price changes ,
A January launch date allows for the longest possible time before prices begin to tumble
typically after the trade shows in the first two quarters of the year.
It also more time to perfect the production process.
Question is do really need to be "the first on the block" to have this CPU ?
Or can you wait until the price falls by 50% or June/July for the best price?
Possibly even a faster CPU by then.
MGSsancho - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
anand, could you be so kind as to point to where you got the info on the new sse4 instructions? the chart would be cool but some pdfs or something from into would be awsomejsaldate - Friday, November 9, 2007 - link
Penryn SDK: http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/11...">http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/11...http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/11...Ryan Smith - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
http://www.intel.com/technology/architecture-silic...">From Intel's websiteMGSsancho - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
thanks a lot =)