We were given a pleasant surprise by Intel at IDF just a few weeks ago: a fully functional and benchmark-able system based on Intel's next-generation desktop processor, codenamed Conroe. The performance that we saw was stunning and the power efficiency promised is a welcome change from the Pentium 4's NetBurst micro-architecture. But after leaving sunny California and returning to reality, we found another Intel chip in our labs; it just wasn't Conroe.

With the heatspreader on top of the chip, you could hardly tell it apart from a Conroe. It looked and smelled like one, but that's where the similarities end. While the fastest Conroe based processors will barely exceed 3.0GHz, this chip is clocked at a mighty 3.73GHz. Indeed, what Intel had sent us was no Conroe. It was the new dual core Pentium Extreme Edition 965, a chip that's being announced today, but one that won't actually be shipping in retail systems until next month. And yes, it's another very high clocked, deeply pipelined CPU from Intel. It's not the power efficient, high performing, competitive part that we want from Intel; it's yet another bump in the rocky road of NetBurst.

Needless to say, it's not a chip that we were too excited about, especially after having our appetites whet by Conroe earlier this month. But the new Extreme Edition did manage to surprise us in a number of areas, some of which may surprise you as well. When we last looked at the Pentium Extreme Edition 955, we found its power consumption to be a bit troubling. The move to 65nm didn't seem to do much for the Pentium 4, as AMD was still able to maintain a significant advantage in power consumption. As it turns out, the initial 65nm parts from Intel did not support all of the power management features that were introduced in later versions of Intel's 90nm silicon. Mainly, support for EIST (Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology) and the new C1E enhanced halt state, both of which were introduced over a year ago initially with C1E on the 5xxJ series of processors and later adding EIST on the 6xx series of processors. For whatever reason, neither technology made its way into the Presler EE chips (65nm dual core Extreme Edition). With the new Extreme Edition 965, Intel re-added support for C1E, but EIST is still not supported (note that C1E support was added to later steppings of the EE 955, just not the initial stepping). The two technologies vary as follows (taken from our Pentium 4 6xx review):

C1E - Enhanced Halt State
"Whenever the OS executes the halt instruction, the CPU enters what is known as the halt state.  Architecturally, what's going on in a halt state is the clock signal is shut off to the CPU for some period of time. With no clock signal, none of the logic in the chip will do anything and thus power consumption is reduced.  Performance is also significantly reduced; however, the halt instruction isn't usually called during application usage, so the performance aspects of the halt state aren't very important.

The problem with the halt state is that it does nothing to reduce voltage, only current draw by stopping clocks from going to the CPU.  Since Power varies linearly with both current and voltage (P = I * V), you're effectively only addressing half of the problem. The Enhanced Halt State, as Intel calls it, does two things: it reduces the clock speed of the CPU by decreasing the clock multiplier down to its minimum value (on the EE 965 series, that's 14x, or 2.8GHz), then reducing the voltage.  The clock speed is reduced and then the voltage is dropped, to maintain stability. 

Intel insists that the enhanced halt state is a significantly lower power state than the conventional halt state, thanks to the reduction in voltage in addition to the reduction in clock speed.  While the standard halt state causes a linear reduction in power, Intel's enhanced halt state causes an exponential decrease in power, potentially offering better power savings than the standard halt state.  The real world impact obviously depends on how idle your system happens to be."
EIST:
"What EIST does is very similar to AMD's Cool'n'Quiet. It is demand based reduction in CPU clock speed and voltage.  Using the same mechanism of adjusting clock speed and voltage, based on the application demand, the processor will dynamically increase/decrease its clock speed between its minimum clock and its normal operating frequency, as well as voltage, in order to optimize for power consumption. 

Because of the way EIST (and AMD's Cool'n'Quiet) works, there's inherently a drop in performance.  The idea is this: if you're performing a task that's not using 100% of the CPU, the CPU will operate at a slightly reduced frequency in order to conserve power.  So, while some tasks will require that the system run at full speed, others will run at lower speeds. "
Because of the support for C1E and Intel's 65nm process, power consumption is finally competitive with AMD. Let's have a look at idle power consumption first:

System Power Consumption while Idle

Note that AMD is penalized a bit here because we're testing on an ASUS A8N32-SLI, which effectively features two North Bridges (one masquerading as a South Bridge) to offer two dedicated x16 slots. The two chips together consume more power than NVIDIA's 2 x8 single chip design, so depending on what chipset that you use, AMD's power consumption could be a bit lower.

Also, keep in mind that AMD's Cool'n'Quiet is enabled, and the EE 965's C1E support is kicking in to keep its power consumption low at idle as well.

Under load, the comparison is also very close:

System Power Consumption under Full Load

With power consumption finally very close between AMD and Intel, who is the true winner here? From AMD's perspective, the FX-60 is a 90nm chip that still consumes less power than Intel's 65nm CPU, and its power consumption will only go down further when AMD ramps up its 65nm process. From Intel's perspective, AMD won't be producing 65nm in volume until 2007, the same year when Intel will start playing with 45nm chips. Not to mention that the EE 965 is made up of 376 million transistors compared to AMD's 233 million, running on a much more power-hungry architecture. So to Intel, being able to almost equal AMD's power consumption on a NetBurst based part is pretty impressive. From our perspective, it's nice that the EE 965 brings power consumption down to a more reasonable level, but what really matters is how well it performs at that relatively similar power envelope. And that's what we'll find out next.

In our first look at Intel's Presler core with the Extreme Edition 955, we investigated the benefits of Hyper Threading with a dual core CPU as well as the performance impact of Presler over Smithfield. So, be sure to consult that article if you want a more in-depth look at Intel's 65nm dual core desktop CPU.

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  • whitelight - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - link

    quote:

    And we'll be telling you exactly what low cost CPU that would be sometime next week...


    what cpu do you think it is? an opty 144?
  • swtethan - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - link

    P-D 805 probably
  • pnyffeler - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - link

    I've always been a huge supporter of AMD, but parts of me get all tingly when I think of Conroe on the horizon.

    Talk about switching teams...
  • Googer - Thursday, March 23, 2006 - link

    AMD could possibly be more competitive with a 4 MB cache instead of 2MB the Current Athlon 64 has. It may or may not help much but conroe also has a 60MHz advantege over A64.
  • BrownTown - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - link

    Can we get some HT disabled tests, the replay bug really messes with these chips performance in some apps, would be nice to see how disabling HT would help in some apps. Its usually like a 50:50 split, so if you have a specific use then there is a good possibility you will likely get better performance than these benchmarks suggest in certain apps.
  • allometry - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - link

    I don't think there is anything wrong with how you feel about AMD and Intel. I think the majority of geeks have been used to rooting for the underdog, AMD, for the past couple years. AMD was cranking out superior chips in comparison to Intel's.

    But now, Intel is back as the powerhouse we once knew. This is competition and it is what we should have all been rooting for instead of just the underdog. Sure, it's easy to get wrapped up in the benchmarks and post ubsurd comments such as, "AMD is t3h pwnz0rz0x0x!!11", but now, it's time to be realistic and say that Intel's back with something that isn't the suck.

    I'm happy with my AMD setup and in the future, if money presents itself, Intel may once again have a place in my pocket book. Let's just hope that AMD comes back with something competitive to Conroe!
  • Regs - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - link

    The Power house we once new stood by itself with a P3 that ran quake and ms excel with the help of 3DfX voodoo. When did Intel ever have the lead in 3D games? Before the K8? This was...8 years ago? This is exactly why people route for the "underdog". As far as im concerned, AMD has always been the superior technology for gaming and overall efficiency no matter what Intel said or threw at it. We have finally reached a new cycle for processing, visual effects, and programming. AEGIA's physics processor concept, Windows Vista, Intel's conroe, AMD's new born, and DX9/DX10 gaming are right around the corner. Yes, exciting times are ahead.
  • defter - Thursday, March 23, 2006 - link

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    Before the K8? This was...8 years ago?


    Athlon64 was released 2.5 years ago...
  • MrKaz - Thursday, March 23, 2006 - link

    Have you hear of Athlon, then Athlon XP, ... and it wasnt 2.5 years ago...

    SUNNYVALE, CA -- January 31, 2003 --AMD (NYSE:AMD) today announced that the worldwide introduction of its next-generation, 64-bit AMD Opteron™ processor for servers and workstations will take place on April 22 in New York City. AMD plans to follow up with the introduction of the AMD Athlon™ 64 processor for the desktop and mobile markets in September 2003.

    The first Athlon (the P3 killer and the more recent P4 killer) was released in June 23, 1999.
  • LoneWolf15 - Thursday, March 23, 2006 - link

    The Athlon and Athlon XP were K7 chips, not K8. Therefore, the reply makes sense.

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